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“I liked it,” a straight acquaintance said of Gideon The Ninth by Tamsyn Muir. “But everyone said it was Sapphic and it wasn’t Sapphic.”

I, in the middle of listening to the audiobook, wondered if we were talking about the same Gideon The Ninth. Admittedly, I’m not finished; I listen to audiobooks in forty-minute chunks while I drive to my physical therapy appointments. But so far, and from the very first chapter, it’s been clear to me that the title character is a lesbian.

“There aren’t any sex scenes, though,” that same reader argued. “So, how do you know?”

How do you not know? I thought, but quickly moved on from that particular point, begging off the conversation by saying, “I’ll get back to you, I don’t want spoilers.”

Because what I wanted to say was, why do you need an explicit sex scene as proof that a character isn’t straight?

And they wouldn’t have liked the answer I would have supplied for them, the only real answer to that question when straight people complain about a lack of sex scenes as a lack of overall queerness in fiction: because the heteronormative mind equates queerness with sex, divorced from a total state of being, a straight default with a slight deviation of genital smashy-smashiness.

I had a view, peeking out of the closet, at attitudes of the ’90s and the ’00s, wherein any non-straight representation in mainstream fiction was the cis gay male, always flirting at the gym but never burdening a hetero reader with icky gay sex details. The rise in popularity of M/M romance novels written by straight cis women brought sexuality into gay “representation,” in the most painfully heteronormative way possible. Most of those books read like traditional straight romance novels clobbered with the find/replace stick: find “pussy”/replace “ass”, find “breasts”/replace “pecs”, find “Erin”/replace “Aaron”.

The ’10s continued the trend of authors, who identified as straight in public, putting out heteronormative depictions of queerness. Readers criticized fiction that didn’t have queer representation while somehow maintaining that blatant homophobia wasn’t enough reason for criticism. During E.L. James’s disastrous Twitter Q&A, a prominent author and internet darling took me to task for submitting the question, “Are you as homophobic in real life as your books are?” The very suggestion that the author of a book in which a running joke was that the romantic hero was far too manly and sexy to be mistaken for gay could possibly harbor some toxic heteronormativity in her brain was an indication of professional jealousy and not a valid argument. The main qualification for evaluating queerness in fiction was straightness, as queer voices were intentionally and forcefully pushed from the conversation if they were saying anything but “yaaaaaaaas, queen!”

Some opportunists embraced this attitude, with great success. Romancelandia cycled through a seemingly endless parade of pet gays who remained in favor just as long as they agreed that straight cis women could write M/M stories as authentically as any gay man, and that lesbophobia in publishing was just a trivial sales issue. These men usually fell out of favor by failing to embody the stereotype of the romcom gay roommate, getting “too political,” or being uncovered as a catfishing straight woman.

Now, in the roaring ’20s, the field of mainstream LGBTQA+ rep in genre fiction has grown. Queer authors are telling stories about queer characters that don’t center around the physical act of sex as an entire identity. LGBTQA+ characters aren’t just straight people who do something different when the bedroom lights go out. They are allowed to feel queer, to be queer, to inhabit a mindset that is completely alien to what straight readers are used to seeing, and those straight readers are tagging it as bad or inauthentic because it doesn’t match up to the heteronormative framework they’re used to. How can you tell if a character is gay if they don’t tragically die in their lover’s arms? How do you know a protagonist is non-binary if he’s using male pronouns and not wearing dresses? When the representation isn’t written specifically to educate straight readers, if the normal, every day parts of gay or trans lives aren’t shaped into something that appeals to a straight reader’s understanding, is that representation?

And that representation we see from big name, straight mainstream authors, which often rely on the homosexuality-as-tragedy vibes lingering in straight minds from the height of the AIDS crisis, is endlessly praised for being bravely queer, while true representation is dismissed as not being queer enough. When Sarah J. Maas, a straight author, intentionally writes homophobia into her fantasy world in order to keep a lesbian side character wallowing in closeted torment, a chorus of straight readers sing praises for her groundbreaking representation. When Tamsyn Muir, a lesbian author, writes a lesbian main character who hoards tittie magazines and gets a gooey crush on the equivalent of a wilting Victorian doll, those same straight readers criticize the representation because… there’s not enough scissoring to make it obvious, I guess?

In the same conversation with my aforementioned straight acquaintance, she mentioned another book we’d both recently read and mutually enjoyed: the very straight The Serpent and the Wings of Night. Acquaintance asked what I thought about the lack of LGBTQA+ representation in the book. I pretended not to understand. “The only straight people were Oraya and Raihn,” I argued. “Everybody else was queer.” When Acquaintance had no idea what I was talking about, I explained, “I never saw any of them having straight sex.” Which I hope drove the point home with this person.

The lack of LGBTQA+ representation in The Serpent and the Wings of Night or the heteronormativity of Ice Planet Barbarians don’t cause harm. Those are simply written with a straight audience in mind, regardless of what the authors’ sexuality might be. What I find more harmful are the attempts at representation made by authors who very clearly are not at ease writing queer characters or scenes of queer sensuality. Sweeping romances with highly explicit sex scenes between straight characters that suddenly become closed-door, fade-to-black only when it’s time for the icky gay sex to start are far more insulting and damaging than sweeping romances with highly explicit sex scenes between straight characters that have no LGBTQA+ characters or romances in them at all. If a straight author is uncomfortable writing outside of their straight experience, what, exactly, is compelling them to write the queer experience? Certainly not queer readers.

We often see authors bemoaning the fact that they have to write diverse casts of characters in order to avoid social media mobs or to remain competitive in the market, but I don’t see that being the case, at all. If a straight author can’t write an LGBTQA+ character without relying on outdated stereotypes or depictions of queer pain and death, how on Earth is that book meant to be competitive or exempt from criticism?

Very rarely do I see queer people clamoring for straight authors to write more queerly, or bemoaning the straightness of books written for straight audiences. That seems to be the exclusive purview of straight allies. Queer readers will seek out queer books from queer writers who are writing them authentically. They’re not absolutely salivating to read the latest heteronormative romantasy with a few queer characters tossed into die or live tragically chaste lives. Instead of calling for straight authors to write more queer characters, allies need to boost the profiles of queer writers.

And that starts with understanding that LGBTQA+ people are not solely defined by scenes of explicit fucking.

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17 Comments

  1. starcunning
    starcunning

    while i DO think that the whole “lesbian necromancers in space” tagline has perhaps contributed to people thinking this series is something it’s not (ie: one where the romance is both traditional and front and center), it is also explicitly true. from page, like, three, gideon tells us that all of her romantic fantasies are about women. gideon is not technically a necromancer, but: harrowhark’s FORMATIVE romantic fantasy is about a woman, and ianthe tridentarius’s only romantic interest is in a woman, and judith deuteros professes, in her own words, her thwarted crushes on two women. the necromancers, they be lesbianing.

    anyway, spoilers for the second book, but i’ll try to be as vague as possible. tell your friend to go (re)read The Arm Scene in HTN and ask if that somehow DOESN’T read like a sex scene to them, because it is more erotically charged than several actual sex scenes i’ve read in my time.

    August 9, 2023
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    • starcunning
      starcunning

      also, NOBODY has on-page sex? like, by that token you can argue that abigail and magnus are in a lavender marriage? because nobody fucks? there’s one closed-door type scene in book two that may or may not get interrupted before the main event and certain motivations in that case are corrupt anyway, so literally everyone’s sexuality is up for grabs then??

      August 9, 2023
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    • Jessica
      Jessica

      ‘lesbian necromancers in space’ got me into the books, and the fun action and amazing drama kept me. I was let down a bit by the lack of gay sexy times cause I like gay sexy times and I don’t get to read it as often as I should (I know, go seek out lesbian romance, idiot). I thought it was going to have moar gay sex and it, uh, didn’t have much. What it did have was very enjoyable, but the tagline was misleading, IMO.

      Mentioning titty magazines is v cheeky, but I wouldn’t immediately assume a lady was gay just cause they like them. XD In fact, mentioning the titty magazines and then NOT following through was what got me down more than anything.

      I did like HTN and Nona a lot more for queer representation. Gideon annoyed me after awhile, I think. I need to reread. for research. Also cause Alecto is coming out next year and I need to refresh my brain.

      August 9, 2023
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  2. Laina
    Laina

    I would love to know how that friend defines middle grade books about lesbians and queer characters.

    Also a book does not have to have romance to be about queer characters or to be a queer book. Our lives as queer people are not defined by sex or romance and those are not the only stories to be told. This honestly gets frustrating as an aroace.

    August 9, 2023
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  3. Victoria
    Victoria

    I mean, it’s there in the first chapter? “Frontline Titties of the Fifth,” anyone?!?

    The books (for me), treat queerness as the default, so if you’re expecting big dramatic trauma, it’s not there. But there is so, so much that’s just there and open and just the way things are.

    August 9, 2023
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  4. Siobhan
    Siobhan

    Just to add: Romance as a genre today is specifically geared towards women only who have accepted those heteronormative definitions or found that those fit with who they are*. Thus, gay or lesbian sex scenes are written for straight heteronormative women. Many of whom find two men together as titillating as heteronormative men are supposed to find two women together. And when two women are together, there must be penetration of some sort. It’s not that the audience has changed at all. It’s the genre requirements being met in a way that pleases the same audience but makes them think they’re being open by acknowledging queer people exist.

    I find the current definition of romance as defined by the romance genre awful on every level. The need for an explicit sex scene. The need for a happy ending. The need for sexual love at all! This is not an historically accurate definition of Romance (certainly not from a bit over 100 years ago, when women were still considered too crude or too “undeveloped” to understand Romantic feeling), and it sucks. It’s limiting and it feeds on itself. It also reflects itself outward. Two men can’t love each other or embrace each other without that being defined as sexual and accused of homosexuality, requiring lots of “NO HOMO BRO” denials.

    IOW, as long as romance the genre is defined the way it is for the audience it’s defined as having, it will only accurately represent a limited % of what its readership actually wants. Straight or queer.
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    * And a bit to add here: “Heteronormative” only applies to heterosexuals because it defines the base assumptions of (let’s limit this to US) society. Queer people have no structured assumptions and have to find their way into definitions of gender, gender identity, and sex, and this are more likely to come to completely different definitions. I know gay men for whom the sub of ass for pussy is entirely accurate. I know at least one lesbian who still defines sex as penetrative. These are people who got just so far into their own definitions to find that either 180° flipped heteronormative works for them, or just didn’t want to think about it further. Most heterosexual people don’t bother to think about these questions because they have a set of definitions ready for them to step into, and most people are lazy. Those of us who are predominantly heterosexual but have had to confront these definitions (we’re not less innately lazy, but circumstances have required it), often find that what is considered normal for heterosexuals no more fits us than it does queer people who have had to struggle with the same definitions.

    August 9, 2023
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    • Siobhan
      Siobhan

      And THUS are more likely to come to different definitions. Not this. Fucking autocorrect.

      August 9, 2023
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    • Dove
      Dove

      I do agree with all of your main points, let me put that out there first, but like… even saying “heteronormative” only applies to heterosexuals doesn’t feel quite right because being AFAB that’s the compulsion we so often deal with; it’s why a lot of women don’t realize they’re a lesbian, bisexual, pansexual, or asexual for many years. Like yes they soul-search and you agreed they’re not a monolith but…

      The way you’re explaining this stuff still makes me feel guilty as hell for even thinking fingers going inside while slurping up a juicy lil clit is hot or how proper cervical massages can be amazing. We all agree that penetration is pleasurable for many people, right? A woman’s hips can thrust when she gets excited enough, it doesn’t matter if there’s even anything physically going in there or if she’s wearing a strap-on. So, I’m assuming you’re just trying to say they describe it like straight sex but like… idk. Now I’m just super self-conscious.

      I know that wasn’t your point, you were trying to say that everyone wants to be lazy anyway, we just want something that works for us, especially if it explains everything easily enough when people ask. No one wants to do extra work every time to be understood and some people are super comfortable with the most commonly accepted notions. And people just want representation that feels right; that’s absolutely true. Sorry if that’s me misunderstanding you btw, I’m terrible at reading and writing; just a million tangents.

      But it hits every imposter syndrome trigger that I have as an AFAB NB mostly feminine-presenting high libido AroAce Aegosexual (potentially autistic, never diagnosed) who had countless crushes on cartoon women without fully understanding they were crushes for years (like I had some idea but never really fully completely felt like I understood until my 40s.) I also couldn’t confidently write feminine characters for like 25 years (in part from the Mary Sue fear but also it has taken this long for us to have more lady rep in certain media and me to truly embrace that side) and I mostly wrote masculine characters.

      I mean, that’s on me, I realize this, but the guilt is 100% real. I just prefer having one less thing to worry about whether I write about a nonbinary using a strap-on or use of silicone toy eggs for an egg-laying fetish or a dildo is involved or it’s your casual 69 or an orgy where one of them is a robot with 20 hands that can fondle or fist or someone is working through some things while trying out BDSM with their supportive lover. What if they aren’t queer enough?

      But then I also haven’t really written enough straight romance so IDK. What if my female-pegging-male scenes aren’t heterosexual enough? What if my gay rimming and oral scenes aren’t considered gay enough without anal? These are often the fears that plague me, even though I know no group is a monolith. It’s the shapeshifter side; it wants to have observed and repeated correctly. Might be the potential autistic side too. Well, and the asexual side. I’ve had sex, just not a ton and not with the ladies yet so it’s all from my experience and reading about others. Plus I can never be too sure I’m representing allosexuals correctly and I only do it when I feel a strong urge to write some characters as a couple which is 3/4ths of the time. It’s all very much a me problem. Even the most gremlin-ass mofo doesn’t stay immune, they just got supportive, lovingly vulnerable, and snuggled their way into something more when I wasn’t trying. I’ve at least attempted to explore my AroAce side with QPRs recently in my writing so there’s that.

      God, I’m just not queer enough or knowledgeable enough and I shouldn’t write love or lust. I really wouldn’t at all, I just get ideas that won’t leave me alone. Most of them end up unfinished anyway but ya know.

      August 9, 2023
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      • Siobhan
        Siobhan

        I’m really talking about mainstream genre definitions. Publisher demographics defines women except lesbians as heteronormative and romance is arranged for that audience definition. Lesbians have their own niche market under LGBTQ* literature. This isn’t the way the world works. And is another example of kyriarchy being bad for everyone. But it means that what you see on the romance shelves is very strictly defined, including when the authors throw in a gay storyline so they can show diverse. That gay storyline is not intended for gay males. It’s intended for straight women. And conventionally straight women, at that. We should, I guess, acknowledge that this reflects a change in society that this is shown openly — that not only is gay sex acknowledged, but that it’s acknowledged that certain types of gay sex will appeal to a wider market. So say “yay for victories and the mainstream genre market still has quite a ways to go.”

        When I referred to laziness, I meant if someone is 70% ok with what is defined as heteronormative, they aren’t likely going to do the emotional work to figure out what the 30% of discomfort is. Unless they are confronted with something major, or confronted with something very young, people are more likely to coast by on what is emotionally and conceptually easy.

        If I had to sum up my comment, it would be something along the lines of “the kyriarchy is bad for everybody and genre definitions suck”.

        Unless you’re arguing that mainstream romance genre definitions are a good thing, I don’t see anything to feel guilty about? I’d genuinely apologize for whatever I said that was triggering except that… I don’t really understand what that was or what you’re feeling guilty about.

        August 15, 2023
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        • Siobhan
          Siobhan

          *I really like QUILTBAG and will wait a century for that to replace LGBTQ.

          August 15, 2023
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  5. Jenny (But not Jenny Trout)
    Jenny (But not Jenny Trout)

    I’ve run into this before – but they didn’t even kiss! So what? They don’t have to! Some people see what they want to see. Or don’t see what they don’t want to.

    August 10, 2023
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    • Keltai the Crafty
      Keltai the Crafty

      I mean.

      ‘One Flesh, One End’

      That’s pretty much a marriage vow, but it’s not obvious enough, right?

      August 16, 2023
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  6. Bookjunk
    Bookjunk

    I noticed in the nineties that pop culture quite often doesn’t quite know what to do with non-straight characters. For a long time, they either a) were presented as almost asexual b) were definitely sexual, but the audience just never gets to see them do anything or c) were super sexual to the point where they can never have a gently romantic/erotic moment, it’s always straight from 0 to 100.

    The same thing went for just being non-straight: either it didn’t factor into anything and the audience barely knows about someone’s differing sexuality or it is almost the only character trait and the whole life of the character revolves around it.

    Sad to think that thirty years later a large swatch of pop culture still presents non-straight characters the same way.

    August 10, 2023
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  7. Me
    Me

    Um, so sex equals love or else it’s inexistent?
    Because you can write romance and not focus on the sex part, so basing anything on sex or lack thereof is kind of a stupid assumption, in my opinion.
    For example, I remember when Harry Potter and the Cursed Child came out and my coworker read it before me and after I read it she commented to me that she felt/thought the relationship between Albus and Scorpius was a gay romantic one. I agree with her and I’ve gone online and it seems a lot of people thought the same thing (even though the writers denied it), and those two characters where never in obvious “romantic” situations. It’s not like they kissed or did anything sexual, it was just the general vibe, and it could very well be just a bromance, but the play has been revised to remove any mentions of the boy’s crushes on some girls and they added a line towards the end where Albus tells Harry something along the lines of “he’s the most important person to me and probably will always be.”
    My point being that even without the revisions, a lot of people read their interactions are romantic when these 2 characters never interacted in any obvious stereotypically romantic fashion towards each other.
    I haven’t read the book you mention, so I can’t opine on the obviousness of the romance or lack thereof, but saying there is no romance because there is no sex is the dumbest thing I’ve heard.

    August 11, 2023
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  8. Ilex
    Ilex

    Gideon would probably be banned in Florida, except I’m not sure any of the banning-inclined folks are aware of queer SF&F. So yeah, it’s definitely gay enough.

    August 17, 2023
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    • Keltai the Crafty
      Keltai the Crafty

      I realised after reading that you meant the book Gideon the Ninth would be banned, not Gideon herself, but I have to say – HELL YES Gideon Nav would get kicked out of Florida for being Too Gay. And she’d brag about it too!

      August 18, 2023
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      • Ilex
        Ilex

        You are totally right! And she’d absolutely brag about it. I love your misreading because that’s even better than what I said.

        August 18, 2023
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